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mekhet of rivia · May 16, 2008, 05:04 AM // 05:04

I am having some problems. I have a ASUS Maximus Extreme mobo, which uses AI Suite to control the processor. When I have AI Suite installed, the game has a chopy movement to it. This chop exists on the login screen and persists through the game. When I unistall AI Suite, the chop is gone and the GW runs for a while.

GW will lock up and then return to the "loading" screen until I reboot. If I set the affinity of GW to a certain core, it takes longer for it to crash, but it still does.

GW's support is not being helpful because I am running XP64.

I appreciate any ideas of how to deal with this.

Admael · May 16, 2008, 05:12 AM // 05:12

Have you tried forcing Guild Wars on a single core?

Lord Sojar · May 16, 2008, 05:17 AM // 05:17

XP64 is probably part of the issue. You don't have to use any control software to control the CPU. All those programs serve the purpose of is sloppy interfaces between the BIOS and the OS. Just regulate Guild Wars control via Task Manager. It does a perfectly fine job regarding affinity. Regulate everything else through your BIOS at boot up. Uninstall and don't use that program. The program is probably not compatible with XP64 anyways.

mekhet of rivia · May 16, 2008, 05:21 AM // 05:21

i have manually set the affinity of GW and it does no good, it still crashes out on me.

As for AI Suite, I am using the version for xp64

Lord Sojar · May 16, 2008, 05:39 AM // 05:39

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Originally Posted by mekhet of rivia

i have manually set the affinity of GW and it does no good, it still crashes out on me.

As for AI Suite, I am using the version for xp64

Don't use that program anymore. Use Task manager, although Guild Wars has issues running on XP 64 as it is. Go back to XP Pro 32bit or move to Vista 32bit with SP1. Your choice. XP 64 is a pain in the neck. No reason to use it.

Alexandra-Sweet · May 16, 2008, 05:51 AM // 05:51

If you have an AMD processor I suggest you download and install a "Quad Core optimizer", it sets an affinity automaticly and is of course fully supported by the company.

http://www.amd.com/us-en/Processors/...30_182,00.html click on "Drivers and utilities" of your processor and search for the optimizer.

If you have an Intel, well... I honestly don't know if they have such a program.

mekhet of rivia · May 16, 2008, 05:58 AM // 05:58

I would go to vista or xp32, but i have 4gig of ram and a 500 meg vid card. they won't support it all. will they?

Brianna · May 16, 2008, 06:00 AM // 06:00

You have to have 64 bit to see utilize 4 gigs of ram, correct.

If you are happy with only getting 3.5~ gigs of ram, then stay with 32 bits. For Vista, I'd honestly just say go with 64 bit.. not for Windows XP though.

Also, do I see more girl techs here now?!

Lord Sojar · May 16, 2008, 06:10 AM // 06:10

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Originally Posted by Brianna

You have to have 64 bit to see utilize 4 gigs of ram, correct.

If you are happy with only getting 3.5~ gigs of ram, then stay with 32 bits. For Vista, I'd honestly just say go with 64 bit.. not for Windows XP though.

Also, do I see more girl techs here now?!

Sort of.... it can't see the RAM, but it can still use the additional addresses provided you actually have to use that amount of RAM. I use XP Pro 32bit. I have 4GBs of RAM, but XP only sees 2.6GBs of it. It can still utilize all of it. And no, XP can use all of the video memory, it just uses it through a different memory map. You might lose some efficiency, but you lose the headaches, which is well worth 2-8FPS depending on the game.

mekhet of rivia · May 16, 2008, 06:12 AM // 06:12

thank you for all of the help. i was hoping for something a little cheaper than a new OS, but i will take what i can get.

i appreciate the help.

Brianna · May 16, 2008, 06:29 AM // 06:29

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Originally Posted by Rahja the Thief

Sort of.... it can't see the RAM, but it can still use the additional addresses provided you actually have to use that amount of RAM. I use XP Pro 32bit. I have 4GBs of RAM, but XP only sees 2.6GBs of it. It can still utilize all of it. And no, XP can use all of the video memory, it just uses it through a different memory map. You might lose some efficiency, but you lose the headaches, which is well worth 2-8FPS depending on the game.

So if I can put 4 gigs of ram onto a 32 bit based system, and still be able to use 4, then whats the point in people buying 64 bit? Aside from all it's other advantages(disadvantages?) and stuff.

Apparently on Vista 32 bit SP1 you can see 4 gigs of ram, but not utilize all of it.. which way does it really go? It's all quite confusing when I'm told two different things all the time.

Though, I am by no means any professional at anything computer based, I mostly try to rely off of obviousness of things - and generality of things, and from what I've learned and been told from first and second hand experience so far. I haven't gone to college for any thing based off of computers either, so yeah. I just try to help around here with general small problems, and maybe give opinions here and there and such, sometimes I think computers are just too into depth for me.. but I'm not giving up yet.

But more blatantly the general concept I've been shown of 32 bit and 64 bit based on RAM, was, 32 Bit = NO MORE THAN 3.5 GIGS, (or such) and 64 bit = 4 GIGS OR MORE.

Lord Sojar · May 16, 2008, 06:34 AM // 06:34

Quote:

Originally Posted by Brianna

So if I can put 4 gigs of ram onto a 32 bit based system, and still be able to use 4, then whats the point in people buying 64 bit?

Apparently on Vista 32 bit SP1 you can see 4 gigs of ram, but not utilize all of it.. which way does it really go? It's all quite confusing when I'm told two different things all the time.

Though, I am by no means any professional at anything computer based, I mostly try to rely off of obviousness of things - and generality of things, and from what I've learned and been told from first and second hand experience so far. I haven't gone to college for any thing based off of computers either, so yeah. I just try to help around here with general small problems, and maybe give opinions here and there and such, sometimes I think computers are just too into depth for me.. but I'm not giving up yet.

But more blatantly the general concept of 32 bit and 64 bit based on RAM, was, 32 Bit = NO MORE THAN 3.5 GIGS, (or such) and 64 bit = 4 GIGS OR MORE.

It is based on what the OS can recognize. However, bit extension is something most OSes can handle, which includes XP and Vista. If you use up to that 2.6-~3.4GB "limit" and you "run out of RAM" the OS can go beyond the 32 bit extension addresses, but it must do so by hiding the first known addresses. In other words, it isn't a great situation.... but still, it can "use" them. However... that being said, there are VERY FEW programs you or the OP or any Guru forum goer should be using that requires more than... 1GB AT MOST. Total RAM usage should probably never exceed 2.5GBs for even the biggest power users here on Guru. So, not too much of a worry, at least until 64bit stuff gets bugs ironed out, and better support (which is starting to happen with Vista 64bit)

Lord Sojar · May 16, 2008, 06:36 AM // 06:36

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Originally Posted by mekhet of rivia

thank you for all of the help. i was hoping for something a little cheaper than a new OS, but i will take what i can get.

i appreciate the help.

Try ridding yourself of that program first, cleaning up the registry, and maybe a fresh install. 64 bit may be a pain in the ass, but I would hate to make you go spend unnecessary money to get a new OS. However, if you are a University student, see if your college/uni offers a discounted Windows XP Pro or Vista Ultimate. Usually they do, I know as a grad student at Purdue, I picked up 32bit Vista Ultimate for 10 bucks.

EDIT: oops, double post, not exactly like me, I am an edit happy fool usually. Oh well, it happens. Stack it up to +1 I guess, I am close to 2k posts.

Brianna · May 16, 2008, 06:38 AM // 06:38

Ah, that makes more sense now.

I'm on 64 bit now, works like a charm for everything that I do thus far.

Right now I am using up 60% of my 2gbs of RAM with Guild Wars, FireFox, Winamp, MSN, Skype, and a couple of other chat programs, so you are surely right that most people will not use over 2 gigs, I didn't buy more for that reason, I wouldn't use it.

Though I did buy 64 bit because I had in mind that I may one day be exceeding 2 gigs (Hey, you never know..), and I just wanted to have the comfort of knowing that I'm not limited, and I wanted to try out a 64 bit for once as well.

EDIT: Just have to give my apologies, I never realize how much I high jack threads. *Hands it back to the op* sorry.

Admael · May 16, 2008, 07:26 AM // 07:26

XP32>Vista64>Vista32>XP64

XP64 was an OS that never matured. No one made drivers for it, it was just left to decay. I have a pair of Nvidia 7950X2's that will not run properly on XP64, and those are 4 years old.